How many players from each club would make your team?
(A good deal more light-hearted than my first entry. Though, when I posted this article on the Give Me Sport site, someone did tell me to go and shoot myself.)
Sporting debates, almost by definition, are futile.
Would
a prime Muhammad Ali have had the guile to defeat a young, wrecking-ball Mike
Tyson? Probably. Could the great Jesse Owens out-sprint the great Usain Bolt if
he were to race against him today? Probably not. What would have happened had
Juan Manuel Fangio and Ayrton Senna gone wheel-to-wheel in the same era? Who
knows.
Definitive answers may be impossible to come by in
conversations of this nature, but that doesn't mean that sports fans won’t delight
in engaging in these hypothetical debates. Conversations like these are the
lifeblood of many a post-match pint.
In the arena of English football, one debate reigns
supreme: Liverpool or Manchester United. Which of these two great clubs has the
right to declare itself the most successful in the history of the English
game?
On the surface of such a question there may appear to be
a simple solution – compare the trophy hauls of each club. However, it could be
argued that such a tactic only further enhances the contentiousness of the
issue, because whilst United reigns supreme in terms of top-division league titles
won, with 20 to Liverpool’s 18, the Anfield club boasts five European Cup wins
to the Old Trafford outfit’s three.
Move a little lower on the trophy ladder and it’s a
similar story. United might trump Liverpool in terms of FA Cups wins (11 to
seven), but Liverpool have won double the amount of League Cups (eight to
four).
All told, United just hold the edge in terms of total
trophies won, with 61 to Liverpool’s 59, but bear in mind that they have just
eked ahead in the past couple of seasons. Thus, it could hardly be said that
the book is closed on the debate about which is the greater of the two clubs.
Therefore, surely my suggesting a new approach in
attempting to ascertain which club can claim to boast the richest history is
entirely justifiable. Rather than examining the long lists of trophies won by
each club, perhaps we should turn our attention to the host of world-class players
who have starred for both sides.
I’m not suggesting that we try to compile a greatest-ever XI for both teams, imagine them facing off against each other, and try to guess which one
would come out on top. No, let’s think about it like this: if we were
to select one team made up entirely of players who played for both of these great
clubs, how many from each side would make the cut?
This is my personal selection. I'm sure an awful lot of people will disagree with many of my choices, but I have tried to justify why I believe each of these players deserve a place in the side.
Goalkeeper – PETER SCHMEICHEL (Manchester United & Denmark)
Can there really be any argument about the Great Dane
wearing the number one shirt? Yes, Liverpool have had very fine goalkeepers
down through the years, particularly Ray Clemence and Bruce Grobbelaar, but
many people would make a claim for Schmeichel to be included in an All-time World
XI let alone a composite United/Liverpool team like this. A hulking figure
between the sticks at the best of times, Schmeichel appeared to somehow grow in
stature when opponents found themselves facing him in one-on-one situations. Despite
his immense physicality he also possessed amazing agility, which allowed him to
frequently pull off saves that seemed to defy gravity. Add to that his
assured handling, unwavering bravery, a knack for saving penalties at crucial
moments in crucial matches, and the fact that he marshalled his back four like
a drill sergeant, and you have not only United’s greatest ever goalkeeper but
maybe the greatest this game has ever seen full stop.
(Honourable mentions: Harry Gregg, Ray Clemence, Bruce
Grobbelaar, Edwin van der Sar)
Right-Back– PHIL NEAL (Liverpool & England)
Nowadays full-backs are judged not just on their
defensive capabilities but also on their attacking prowess. Phil Neal excelled in
both aspects of the game. A scorer of more than 50 goals for Liverpool, he made
a habit of finding the net in important matches, most notably during the 1984
European Cup final triumph against AS Roma. Already having scored their only
goal in a 1-1 draw, Neal then stepped up to convert from the spot in what was
the first ever penalty shoot-out to decide a European Cup final. He is also the
only player to have featured in each of Liverpool’s four European Cup wins
during the 70s and 80s. Some might argue that Gary Neville was slightly more
defensively astute than Neal, but the Liverpool man was undoubtedly more
accomplished on the ball and posed a much greater attacking threat than Neville
did.
(Honourable mentions: Roger Byrne, Gary Neville)
Centre-Back – ALAN HANSEN (Liverpool & Scotland)
The fact that Alan Hansen only made a measly 26
appearances for Scotland probably tells you more about his devotion to
Liverpool than it does about his ability as a defender, because, make no
mistake about it, Hansen is one of Britain’s most
accomplished ever centre-backs. He seemed to read the game so well that it made
any other defensive work he had to engage in appear almost ridiculously easy. A
classy player who had great confidence in his own ability with a ball at his
feet, as well as a good eye for a pass, he would often stride out from the back
to orchestrate Liverpool attacks.
Centre-Back – RIO FERDINAND (Manchester United & England)
Rio Ferdinand is a player who seems to polarise fans –
either they rate him very highly or they regard him as being highly over-rated.
Some of that might simply be down to the jealousy of opposition fans. The more
discerning critics might point to his relative failures against the very top
forwards his era had to offer. Ronaldo’s hat-trick for Real Madrid in a
Champions League quarter-final second leg at Old Trafford in 2003 springs to
mind in that respect, but, realistically, could any of even the greatest
defenders have snuffed out the Brazilian phenomenon when he was on song?
Fearless, quick across the ground, powerful in the air, strong in the tackle,
calm on the ball, Ferdinand truly does possess all of the key attributes a
modern defender could possibly hope to have.
(Honourable mentions: Bill Foulkes, Ron Yeats, Mark
Lawrenson, Paul McGrath, Jaap Stam, Jamie Carragher, Nemanja Vidic)
Left-Back – EMLYN HUGHES (Captain) (Liverpool & England)
Nicknamed ‘Crazy Horse’, Emlyn Hughes’s enthusiasm for football was truly infectious. He was also a remarkably versatile footballer; he started
out as a forward and went on to play in just about every outfield position
throughout his storied career. Many would argue that he was at his best in a
Liverpool shirt when deployed as a centre-back but he was equally comfortable
at full-back or in midfield. One of his greatest strengths as a player was his
extraordinary stamina. He seemed to be able to perform at the same physical
level in the 85th minute of a match as he had done in the first. Hughes
was also quick and strong in the tackle. In truth, he secures his place in this
side primarily because of his outstanding leadership qualities. He had the honour of becoming the first Liverpool skipper to lift the European Cup in 1977,
the year in which he was also named the Football Writers’ Player of the Year.
He went on to captain his country more than 20 times.
(Honourable mentions: Tony Dunne, Denis Irwin, Steve
Staunton, Patrice Evra)
Defensive Midfielder – DUNCAN EDWARDS (Manchester United & England)
Not just Manchester United and England, but the game of
football itself was so tragically robbed of Duncan Edwards in the aftermath of
the Munich air disaster in 1958. Despite being just 21 when he died, those who
witnessed Edwards in action still regard him as one of England’s finest ever
players. Sir
Bobby Charlton even went so far as to declare Edwards to be the greatest player
he ever played either with or against. That’s quite a compliment when you
consider that Charlton played with both Bobby Moore and George Best, as well as
against the likes of Pele and Franz Beckenbauer. Perhaps it is only right, then, to allow Sir
Bobby himself to explain just what it was that made Edwards such a phenomenal
player: '...the complete footballer. Mighty in the air. Unbreakable in the tackle. Rampaging tirelessly across the pitch. Perfect first touch followed by raking 40, 50-yard passes with either foot. Unstoppable on the run with the ball. Deadly in front of goal.'
(Honourable
mentions: Nobby Stiles, Graeme Souness, Jan Molby, Bryan Robson, Roy Keane,
Xabi Alonso)
Right Midfielder – GEORGE BEST (Manchester United & Northern Ireland)
Surely the most naturally gifted footballer to ever ply
his trade on these shores, George Best was nothing short of a wing wizard; a
player who played the game in the same effortless manner on the grandest of
European stages as he did when he kicked a ball about the streets of Belfast as
a child. He was one of a handful of players in the history of the game who gave you the impression that he could do just about whatever he wanted to on the pitch at any given moment. His critics will say that
he wasted his immense potential by bowing out at the highest level at the age
of just 27. Most of those who were lucky enough to see him play will say that
it simply wouldn't have been possible for him to get any better than he already
was. The fact that he never had the opportunity to flaunt his talents on the
World Cup stage is something mourned by lovers of the beautiful game the world
over. Nevertheless, Best’s extraordinary abilities were duly recognised when he
was named European Footballer of the Year in 1968, having played an instrumental part in United's European Cup triumph that same year.
(Honourable mentions: Ian Callaghan, Andrei Kanchelskis, Steve McManaman,
David Beckham)
Left Midfielder – RYAN GIGGS (Manchester United & Wales)
The most decorated footballer in the history of the
British game, Ryan Giggs’s longevity, coupled with his uncanny ability to
reinvent the way he plays, is so remarkable that people could almost be
forgiven for forgetting just how good he was in his younger years, when he
operated as an out-and-out left winger. Sir Alex Ferguson was left hypnotised
the first time he saw Giggs in action as a 13-year-old, famously declaring that
it was like watching 'a cocker spaniel chasing a piece of silver paper in the wind'. Boasting electrifying pace, Giggs
was able to travel as fast with the ball at his feet as he could without, and
he could change direction at breakneck speed, mesmerising defenders in the
process. He scored a host of wonderful solo goals in his early years at United,
and comparisons with the great George Best were both inevitable and well
deserved. His extra-time winner against Arsenal in the 1999 FA Cup semi-final replay is regarded by many as the finest goal ever scored in the famous old
competition.
(Honourable mentions: Steve Heighway, John Barnes)
Attacking Midfielder – SIR BOBBY CHARLTON (Manchester United & England)
A part of United’s so-called Holy Trinity of
Best-Law-Charlton, Sir Bobby Charlton was a player who could accurately be
described as a complete attacking footballer. An excellent dribbler and a
wonderful passer, Charlton also possessed a thunderbolt of a shot in either
foot, making him an immense threat from almost anywhere in opposition
territory. Yet for all his outstanding abilities, Charlton would never allow
himself to wallow in personal glory. Having scored three goals to help steer
England to the 1966 World Cup final at Wembley, he had no problem placing the
needs of the team first when he was asked to stifle the threat of West Germany's young Franz
Beckenbauer in the Wembley final. The two greats of the game effectively cancelled each other out
and England went on to triumph 4-2 after extra-time. Charlton would later go on
to deservedly win the 1966 Ballon d’Or. He remains both England’s and Manchester
United’s record goal scorer.
(Honourable mentions: Paul Scholes, Steven Gerrard)
Second Striker – CRISTIANO RONALDO (Manchester United & Portugal)
If Charlton was the complete attacking player of
yesteryear then surely Cristiano Ronaldo is his modern day equivalent – strong,
fast, powerful in the air, two-footed, almost ridiculously skilful, and a deadly finisher – Ronaldo has become in recent years nothing short of a
goal-scoring phenomenon. The fact that he has matured as a player at Real
Madrid (where his goal tally stands at a frankly astounding 210 goals in just 206 games) has no bearing on whether or not he should be considered for this side.
Remember that Ronaldo had already helped United win three Premier League
crowns, an FA Cup, two League Cups, and a Community Shield, as well as a
Champions League and Club World Cup, before he left for the Bernabeu. Add to
this that he is also the only player to have won the FIFA World Player of the
Year award whilst playing in the Premier League and there can be little
argument about his inclusion.
(Honourable mentions: Kevin Keegan, Kenny Dalglish, Eric
Cantona, Wayne Rooney)
Centre Forward – IAN RUSH (Liverpool & Wales)
Both sides have produced strikers who possess better
strike rates than Rush’s average of 0.52 goals per game. For example, Roger
Hunt struck 286 times in 492 games for Liverpool at an average of 0.58 goals
per game, whilst Denis Law hit 237 goals in 404 games for United at a strike
rate of 0.59. In fact it is Ruud van Nistelrooy who reigns supreme in the
strike rate stakes, with a remarkable average of 0.68 goals per game, having
found the net 150 times in just 219 matches for United. What sets Rush apart,
though, is that he was consistently deadly in front of goal over such a long
period of time. In two spells at Liverpool between 1980 and 1996, the Welshman
hit 346 goals in 660 games to make him Liverpool’s all-time leading goalscorer.
No player has scored more goals for either club than Rush has.
(Honourable mentions: Roger Hunt, Denis Law, Robbie
Fowler, Michael Owen, Ruud van Nistelrooy, Fernando Torres)
There you have it, my combined Liverpool-United Best-Ever XI.
Liverpool fans will no doubt be incredulous that the great Kenny Dalglish doesn't make the side. Many United fans will call for the inclusion of French maestro Eric Cantona. Some might say modern stars like Paul Scholes and Steven Gerrard should be selected ahead of the greats from yesteryear. Others will be aghast that both fearsome leaders Graeme Souness and Roy Keane have been left out. I think my selections are very hard to argue with, though I don't think many would agree with me.
There you have it, my combined Liverpool-United Best-Ever XI.
Liverpool fans will no doubt be incredulous that the great Kenny Dalglish doesn't make the side. Many United fans will call for the inclusion of French maestro Eric Cantona. Some might say modern stars like Paul Scholes and Steven Gerrard should be selected ahead of the greats from yesteryear. Others will be aghast that both fearsome leaders Graeme Souness and Roy Keane have been left out. I think my selections are very hard to argue with, though I don't think many would agree with me.











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